Cruise experience is changing like it or not

I just learned the other day Princess is sending out questionnaires regarding formal dress and formal evenings. We haven't been privy to receiving such, guess 225 days sailing with them isn't sufficient. However, it appears Princess is trending toward going the Celebrity route too.

On formal nights we really haven't ever witnessed anybody ever being asked to leave or not enter a MDR due to inappropriate dress. With the exception just recently on Princess in a specialty (extra charge) restaurant when they asked a fellow to leave due to the short sleeve polo shirt he had on. On the same cruise Princess had been reminding everyone, when they made phone reservations, in that restaurant, that it was a formal night and formal wear was required, no compliance no reservations. We had never ran into that before.

It appears to me that the entire industry is playing coy with this issue. Heretofore dress codes were sort of stated like this "On festive formal evenings, women usually wear cocktail dresses or gowns and men usually wear business suits or tuxedos. In order to complement your fellow guests, we ask that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening." So, guests dressed inappropriately while sitting with others in formal garb felt guilty. Now, the language runs something more like this for the same evening "For gentlemen, collared shirts and slacks are required in all fine dining restaurants." No more guilt.

But we have to ask ourselves, is this dress requirement such a big deal for us, more and more frequently while trying to eat dinner in the MDR we sit there waiting and watching a harried flurry of activity by the understaffed help forging a losing battle trying to keep up. Makes dressing up in my tux on formal nights and trying to dine there a joke. The mass market cruise lines have been toying with the idea of eliminating the MDRs for a while now. Maintaining a memorable dining experience in the MDR is very expensive when compared to operating the buffets. What is happening is that many lines are reducing both service and kitchen staff in the MDRs rendering the dining experience marginally undesirable, while bolstering the cuisine quality and service levels in their specialty (extra charge) restaurants.

Marketing experts suggest the industry is caught in a dilemma here. On the one hand most of their guests prefer a significant reduction in formality and quality over what traditionally has been offered for the entire cruise experience. On the other, a minority of their guests, demographically older, prefer the manner of sailing they are accustomed to. But more importantly, to do away with the old means losing the opportunity to cultivate a culture of younger cruisers to the older style of cruising. Putting the entire industry in a vulnerable posture if and when competition and technology alter leisure vacation preferences and the new mass market fad of cruising looses appeal.

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Lines like Carnival and NCL turned cruising into the floating Walmart or 6 motel.

Low clsss ???

Nobody called NCL "low Class" it was stated that lines like NCL and CCL are the lower level of cruise lines. This is not just opinion of posters here but also in the travel industry ratings of cruise lines. Lines like Princes, HAL and Celebrity are known to be a step above in service and quality. Different cruise lines target different demographics.

The trick is to find the cruise line that fits your desire and financial situation and not to bash people that like other lines or disagree with those that do not like your favorite line.

I had avoided CCL for over a decade because of what I thought it would be. One year during the "Swine Flu" out break no ships stopped in Baja so Carnival dropped the price of the local 4 night Baja cruise (it only ported in Catalina and 2 days at sea, no Baja port day) to the point it did not pay to stay home. Some friends and I gave it a try with very low expectation, turns out we had a great time and I have gone on Carnival 5 more times since then.

Thanks for that. I do hope that everybody accedes to your request

Let's please keep this discussion civil and avoid insults and inappropriate language. The dialogue is great but let's not get personal or insulting. Thanks!

What is happening to this thread? I have posted 2 follow up discussions and both have disappeared. This is getting as bad as Cruisecritic

Great points here, Kennicott.

There are strong opinions regarding both getting dressed up and not so cruise line selection takes on all the more importance. There is no universal "best" cruise line and a higher price tag does not ensure someone is going to have a better cruise experience on one of the higher end lines.

I wanted to raise another point that occurred to me It might be a bit of a side topic... not sure. I don't know as it is the lack of formal attire that pushes my buttons as much as it is poor behavior. This is something that is changing on some lines too. I believe we have all come across those who behave like cave people as well as those who hold their noses a bit too high in the air and everything in between. Neither end of the spectrum is particularly appealing and it has little to do with how people are dressed.

The recent posts on this thread are tending to become a tad personal. It is certainly not a case of arguing with others about how people dress on a ship, merely expressing an opinion, which I understood to be the point of a forum. The OP is implying of passengers smelling which is in my opinion rather insulting and to accuse people of dressing like slobs is also very rude.There is also an underlying implication of cruise lines like Norwegian to be "low class" which is also insulting. The main selling point of NCL (for example) is of course "Freestyle", which allows passengers to have the freedom of relaxing on holiday without being faced with regulations of what to wear on certain nights.

I think the idea of a MDR for formal dinners is a great idea, pay a bit extra but get formal dinner menu, better service and a elegant evening. Then the people that are interested in that can select that when booking.

CruisingCM is 100 % spot on that cruising used to be an elegant vacation that were expensive and upper crust. I still have photo's from the 1970's of Mom and Dad on ships that were formal and upper crust. Lines like Carnival and NCL turned cruising into the floating Walmart or 6 motel. Now before I get any backlash for saying that I have cruised Carnival lots of times and always have fun on a Carnival cruise but I do prefer the elegance, class and service of Celebrity.

What I think is funny is the people that have only cruised with one line and try and push there opinion onto everyone. I have read a lady that just slammed Carnival as non-edible food and "horrid" cabin...... she had only cruised Seaborne Yachts before. Also the people that have only traveled the low lines like NCL and Carnival and think they are the best and argue with people that think differently or give a bad review to that line. If you demand the level of Seaborne, good for you stick with it. If your happy with NCL or Carnival, good for you stick with it. Neither should argue with others that do not like your line of choice.

Yep... I know logistics would be a challenge in today's cruise ship configuration but perhaps something to consider in the future... not sure but worthy of thought perhaps.

You do seem to be taking this discussion to a personal level which is disappointing. You may evolve from Alaska but please chill out a bit.

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