glomarrone
Contributor Level: Admiral

How do you feel about cruise lines' smoking restrictions?

Cruise lines all have different policies about restricting where smoking is permitted.  Some allow it on balconies; other prohibit it, for example. Some permit it in the casino; others do not.   I think that MSC has the least restrictive policy.

What bothers me is that the cruise lines do not enforce whatever their policy is.  Are policies too strict or not strict enough?  Let's hear from smokers and non-smokers.  I am a non-smoker but I realize that smokers have rights also. I'd like cruise lines to use better ventilation systems so that smoke doe not seep out into surrounding areas that are supposedly smoke-free.  Let's all respect each others'  opinions. 

 


 

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JusMe
Moderator
Contributor Level: Captain

Being a non-smoker I do not feel that smokers have the rite to make non-smokers put up with their smoke.   Ships should have some Smoking areas that are confined so it does not travel out to other areas.  (the Carnival Imagination had  air filters at the bar next to the casino)  Smoking on balconies is pushing your smoke onto non-smokers balconies that paid just as much.  

I drink,  I'm not going to pour whiskey into your water at dinner and force you to drink it. Why force me to smell your smoke?

I think ships should have restricted smoking areas,  this also goes to the E-cigs.  The majority of Americans do not smoke, why does the minority have the rite to inflict it on the majority?   

I read that HAL allows smoking on balconies.  I would not book a balcony on a HAL ship.   It may also stop me for booking a HAL ship at all since I like having the balcony door open at night to hear the waves.

Bubba54
Contributor Level: Captain

I am not a smoker, but I do believe smokers should have a place to go. I think that smoking areas should all be outside. If there is a smoking area in the interior of the ship it should be designated as a smoking lounge with proper filters. Then simply enforce the rules.

Johngold
Moderator
Contributor Level: Captain

I am a smoker, I do respect the rights of non-smokers. On the cruises I have been on, the smoking areas were on the upper decks, port side only and on the port side promenade deck, and of course the cigar room and casino. I don't like the smoking in the casino as I can't play machines side by side with my wife because she does not smoke. I do not smoke in her car or in our house. If I had a balcony, and smoking was not allowed, I would not smoke. I have on occasion witnessed security ask people not to smoke in non-smoking areas, and that is fair.

A few years ago, there was one cruise line that had arranged a complete non-smoking cruise.One cruise only, and it was publicized to my TA's. Sorry to advise you, it never got off the ground, as it did not fill up as expected.

 Yes, as smokers, we are all aware of what it does to us, I personally enjoy a good smoke and a cold beer.We are still a demographic that is catered to. But here in Edmonton, we cannot smoke in Bars, on patios, in parks where kids MAY show up, or in public places Even empty ones. Soon to come, smoking bans on sidewalks, walking trails, Already there is no smoking in workplaces, public and private businesses, So when I'm on a cruise, and I can sit at a topside bar and have a beer, or coffee and cigarette, If that's the only spot, so be it. 

This can be a rather touchy spot, but I will follow the rules, and I hope other smokers also follow the rules..

Kennicott
Contributor Level: Captain

Smoking is quite an issue that often provokes considerable consternation. On cruise forums moderators have to continually step in. Actually, HAL is the only one of the majors today which allows balcony smoking. This includes balcony cigar smoking. The last hold outs have only relatively recently eliminated balcony smoking, meaning it is going to take some getting used to.  It appears to me that perhaps Celebrity is the most smoke free now, they don't even allow it in the casino. MSC claims to be 90% smoke free. Below is a link to fairly up to date smoking policies.

Its important to realize that this is such a recent development only posts from those with recent balcony sailing experience are meaningful when weighing the impact of these policy changes. The big concern among HAL faithful as one might detect from many posts on HAL's threads, is what happens if smokers begin to saturate most of HAL's balconies?

It will take a period of time for repercussions to develop. Smokers may not flock to HAL as feared, likewise HAL ships might not become the "Ashtrays of the Seas". However, there is considerable recent evidence that the word is getting out that HAL is the only balcony smoking game in town and bookings are reflecting such. 

In our case, we have never experienced a balcony problem with neighbors, smoking or otherwise. We began exclusively booking balconies in 2007. However, we have met quite a few folk that have had such problems. The worst pertinent experience we encountered was on the Prinsendam in 2008 during an almost a three month voyage. At that time they did allow smoking inside in many locations. One of those areas was the best dance floor on the ship, but hardly anyone smoked there because there were quite a number of single older ladies who really enjoyed dancing just before dinner and detested smoking. HAL provided four men to dance with them. We like to dance so got to know many of them during the voyage.  Unfortunately, it so happened, a group of hard core smokers who had previously been chatting and smoking regularly up on the Lido decided to gravitate to this area, not to dance, but to smoke and smoke, during the final four or five weeks of the trip. This smoking practice really upset every one on the regulars who danced in the evening, particularly the ladies, in one case a lady who was a long time HAL cruiser was so irritated I believe she pulled the pin on the line due this experience.


Other than not wanting to get stuck with cigar smokers on adjacent balconies I still don't have a lot of heart burn over current shipboard smoking practices. Times have changed though and many do. I wonder if I should not be more outspoken today. Fifty years ago I just acquiesced to pier group pressure and inhaled their smoke, without a gripe. But as I recall that era, I must admit I was ignorant in subjecting myself to second hand smoke and today I regret I didn't have the courage to stand up and say "no more". I recall all the meetings and board room gatherings where many smoked and by late in the day all our eyes were watering due the smoke cloud layer that had reached our necks? 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=225

 

 

 
 

Johngold
Moderator
Contributor Level: Captain

I grew up in much the same era. I have been smoking since age 12. It was acceptable then, certainly not now. We did not have the info that we have now, unfortunately.

At work, for many years we smoked at our desk, at meetings and in the lunchroom, virtually everywhere. Was it right? looking back, no, but that was then, this is now. What I do not understand, and please let me know, When a ship is moving, how does smoking on the balcony affect anyone up wind? Would not a solution be to put the smokers downwind? I don't know, Just asking.  As I always smoke on the upper deck, above the pool on the port side, if you have been on the Golden Princess, Island Princess or the NCL Dawn, you would have seen me every morning with my coffee and cigarette.

Eventually, Laws and common sense will reduce smoking, If nothing else attrition of smokers will take care of the problem in itself. Until then a balance must be struck. I smoke. but I don't want smokers in the MDR, Buffet, stores or casinos. So where do we go, and if we are there,  let us be.

JusMe
Moderator
Contributor Level: Captain

John,  you are a polite smoker,  your not the problem.   I have scene people with E-cigs smoking all over the ship (hallways and in clubs) and arguing when asked to stop by ship personnel.  I have no problem with smoking areas as long everyone respects them.

I have read someplace that the  Carnival Paradise was made as a no smoking ship,  100% smoke free.   Carnival put an end to that when they noticed bar and casino revenues were down.   Cruise lines profit form the addictive habits people have.  Mmmmmm Fireball Whiskey and the Roulette wheel.   

I saw a TV show about a week in the life of the NCL Pearl.  During the down economy they have the cabin prices low to keep the ship booked.  They need each passenger to average about $9.00 a day on room tab to break even on running the ship. 

Kennicott
Contributor Level: Captain
johngold--No problem, you next to me on the adjacent balcony, go ahead and light up. Would love to have you as a neighbor.

Now then, you ask a very excellent question; "When a ship is moving, how does smoking on the balcony affect anyone up wind? Would not a solution be to put the smokers downwind? I don't know, Just asking." 

Others suggest the same, their thinking being, if you have a balcony and the ship is moving along at 20 knots, how can the smoke bother anybody, it just blows away. So my usual response to them is this:

Think back first on your balcony experience(s), have you ever set out there, even when the vessel was moving along close to 20 knots or more and had to lean into the wind and cover your hair, ect? My answer----of course not, if not, very rarely, instead, all depends upon the speed of the vessel and the direction of the prevailing wind, if you have a following wind which cancels out the forward air movement due the vessel's movement, then nothing-dead air, if the wind across the bow is blowing off the other side? Well, you get the drift, pun intended. Actually, when in transit, on our balconies in all my experiences I rarely have witnessed much wind, and I love my balcony on which I spend hours out there on, which I often lean off the side of to watch the flying fishes, marine life and birds. 

But more importantly, when do most folk enjoy their balcony? Not at night when most of the time we are traveling from port to port and it is pitch black (oops, except here in Alaska in the summer, sorry)? Okay, during sea days, but really, that is it. When on port days, most of us are all out on shore excursions, correct? But then, even if we have decided to stay on board, enjoying the balcony, where is the wind? Fact is, way over 60%-70% of our time on the balcony is when we are tied up to a pier or at anchor, maybe not at sail away's, which I love, but even at those times we are moving at maybe 3 knots at the most.         

 

 
cruznjan
Contributor Level: Staff Captain

The less smoke, the better. I'm asthmatic.

glomarrone
Contributor Level: Admiral

Does anyone else want to join the discussion?

UKCruiser
Contributor Level: Purser

My view is that cruises would be much improved if all smoking was banned.  If you must puff the deadly stuff, a couple of weeks won't harm you, and going without for a longer period might actually do you some good.

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